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Police shut down 4 game rooms

Posted: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:30 am

SEGUIN — Luck ran out on a trio of local gaming establishments on Wednesday and a fourth on Thursday.

The Seguin Police Department recently raided four eight-liner gaming businesses in Seguin.

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  • Charlie-50 posted at 8:02 am on Sat, Sep 14, 2013.

    Charlie-50 Posts: 32

    What a bunch of puritans. The practice of paying people under the table if they won a large amount on these machines has been happening scents they showed many years ago. Yall want to talk about ripoffs what about the bingo parlors that run under the guise of the church .Or better yet what about the biggest Ripoff of all the Texas lotto ..come on a few hundred bucks ...please ...let people have there fun . Not every one can afford to take themselves and there family to Vegas a few times a year.

  • PeggyH posted at 7:15 pm on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    PeggyH Posts: 408

    If one has a license to operate under specific circumstances they have a choice. They can abide by the rules and keep their doors open or break the rules and be shut down. If the game rooms were run out of other counties what would make us think they would clean up their act when moving to Guadalupe County? You have to break the law before you're guilty. Those who predicted the illegal operations can do their "told you so" dance.

  • RealityCheck411 posted at 5:00 pm on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    RealityCheck411 Posts: 3


    Its not what i think,,,its how life goes as people as humans beings, towns, cities, countries, we progress we grow that a way of life it's growing to better ourselves and our community, but i guess in you world we all just should have stayed as cavemen?

  • Don and Rose posted at 4:15 pm on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    Don and Rose Posts: 840

    Apparently the businesses in question are legal in Texas...problem is that if the business is not conducted according to the laws that governs has to be proved in order to shut it down...this applies to any business...for instance selling alcohol with a license to do so is fine but if minors are being served you can shut it have to prove it first...thus...police raids..............I'm no expert but this is just good old fashioned common sense.

  • redridermom217 posted at 2:36 pm on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    redridermom217 Posts: 106

    Where was the DA & CA these last few months when the P&Z was handing out these permits? Just seems like both offices should have been more vocal in the legality of these types of establishments.

  • leaveseguinalone posted at 2:25 pm on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    leaveseguinalone Posts: 53

    This town has grown way too much already, enough with that. If you want to live in a larger city then move to one and don't come back here whining about having to deal with all the things that come with it.

    Just because YOU don't think something matters, does not mean it doesn't. Just because YOU think something is a waste of money, doesn't mean it is. Just because YOU think something is a waste of time, doesn't mean it is.

  • RealityCheck411 posted at 12:31 pm on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    RealityCheck411 Posts: 3

    Rose A Larsen:

    I get that whole strive for perfection thing....but its a waste of our money$$$ and time, instead of putting forth more effort on the issues that really matter. Instead of the City Council living in a pretend world how about we face the real situations and the real problems.....???? And actually help our city grow and protect us from the REAL bad that comes with it??

  • Don and Rose posted at 11:19 am on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    Don and Rose Posts: 840

    codger: I wasn't going to be the word police today but since you mentioned it...I have actually seen a few "crocked" council members at social events.
    You said "I mean if (you're) trying to make the city perfect (I) guess go right on ahead you'll realize that is a task that will never be completed."
    I say...If you don't strive for perfection, you will never get past mediocrity! I'm not ready to quit trying and I hope the City Council isn't either.

  • gmainc posted at 10:11 am on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    gmainc Posts: 539

    Would like to add what an exemplary job all the agencies did coming together and working as a team. We are blessed with the best in Guadalupe County, law enforcement, prosecutors, judiciary.

  • codger posted at 9:14 am on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    codger Posts: 31

    If you know of any "crocked" or crooked people running the city it is your responsibility to come forward and report them. Or is it that you just hide under your rock and criticize every thing and everyone who tries to do something?

  • RealityCheck411 posted at 9:03 am on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    RealityCheck411 Posts: 3

    Seguin is so dumb, instead of concentrating on the things that actually harm the community, they want to concentrate on all the little stuff. I Mean SEGUIN CITY COUNCIL ......why do you keep trying to hide our town under a rock, you have to take all the good with the bad, how can you reasonably think that its okay for all this other growth in the town? But your shaming these other businesses? You can't stop the people's free will if they want to spend all their money at these gaming places thats their CHOICE, just like its my CHOICE, I've never been to one of those establishments, i'd never waste my money on a "chance" to win more money but that's me that's my CHOICE, I mean if your trying to make the city perfect i guess go right on ahead you'll realize soon that's a task that will never be completed....HOW BOUT SOME ADVICE. quit concentrating on the growth of the city and how to put more revenue in ya'll pockets and how bout actually keeping the murders etc., in jail because so far your rapport isn't so good....i.e, giving drug dealers more time than people who kill and actually end a person's life just because they want to.......Here's a REALITY CHECK....

  • jojo posted at 8:58 am on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    jojo Posts: 4

    Isn't the city just as guilty? They have allowed these establishments to operate and they have also taken money from these gambling places for so called permit fees. In MY opinion its a scheme for the city and the establishments to make some quick cash. On another note I don't have a problem with these establishments being in town, people can spend their money how they want and just like with, bars, restaurants, etc. if you don't like these places just keep on driving by, you have a choice........

  • Don and Rose posted at 7:55 am on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    Don and Rose Posts: 840

    Let's see now...The police shouldn't close down illegal gambling...shouldn't give traffic tickets...shouldn't give parking tickets...shouldn't arrest people for using or selling pot...should leave hard drug dealers and users alone...
    We shouldn't pay taxes...but we need to fix the streets...the city should leave all business establishments alone...we shouldn't have to recycle and on and on and on.
    Where do you people live...under a rock?

  • TBH posted at 7:29 am on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    TBH Posts: 4

    Well I'm glad they shut this place down,just the fact of it being so close to places I always go to with my kids and family ..shame on the city for allowing it to even be opened at the location it was at or at all

  • VoiceofReason posted at 5:03 am on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    VoiceofReason Posts: 25

    Pilotrancher, I understand your point, but still contend that the "crime" perpetrated by the owners of these establishment is victim-less. The fact that the customers do not exercise self-control is not the government's problem. If you were to follow that logic, there would be many other consequences, e.g. the State Lottery would need to be terminated (it is inherently a gambling program), operators of fast food restaurants would need to be arrested (excessive fast food causes obesity, a major health problem), etc. Clearly none of this is the purview of the government which should mind its own business in these cases.

  • taxwatchdog posted at 2:13 am on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    taxwatchdog Posts: 466

    I am reminded of a scene from the movie Casablanca:

    Rick: How can you close me up? On what grounds?

    Captain Renault: I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!

    [a croupier hands Renault a pile of money]

    Croupier: Your winnings, sir.

    Captain Renault: Oh, thank you very much. Now, everybody out at once!

  • 2059mcg posted at 12:20 am on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    2059mcg Posts: 6

    I agree with Longhorn , even tho I love my city we do have crocked people in charge !!!!][sad]

  • David Lee posted at 11:33 pm on Thu, Sep 12, 2013.

    David Lee Posts: 398


    May I be of assistance?


    The City of Seguin is the biggest crook of them all, it is double dipping and knew this was illegal.
    First charging a high permit fee to make money off the deal, and then sending the cops after them to clean up their screw ups.


    Was that about it?

  • Lnghorn posted at 11:06 pm on Thu, Sep 12, 2013.

    Lnghorn Posts: 40

    The city of Seguin are the biggest crooks of them all they are double dipping they new this was illegal tried to charge a high permit fee to make some money off of the deal and then sent the cops after them to clean up there screw ups

  • LLT posted at 9:35 pm on Thu, Sep 12, 2013.

    LLT Posts: 221

    secretive86 just joking around.

    I'm not making the accusation that these specific businesses were engaging in money laundering , but I have read a number of articles recently about similar businesses throughout Texas that have been set up to provide that service to crime gangs The idea of money laundering is to set up a business that is conducting a legal operation to hide funds from an illegal activity, to that end a gaming rooms seems a near perfect operation. I don't see a need to have weapons and bullet-proof vest to protect a bag of sugar either.

  • secretive86 posted at 9:14 pm on Thu, Sep 12, 2013.

    secretive86 Posts: 3

    LLT no I'm not robin Dwyer I can assure u I'm just simply a citizen who doesn't always agree with the authorities and govt of this small town

  • pilotrancher posted at 8:31 pm on Thu, Sep 12, 2013.

    pilotrancher Posts: 91

    Well done to all the agencies working together on this. To those who say it's a victimless crime: it's not. Gambling is an addiction for too many people. The people who lose money, their families, and the community as a whole are the victims. Let's find ways as a community to lift people up, not to make it easier for them to fall down.

    The fact that the operators had no intention of staying within the law should surprise no one.

  • VoiceofReason posted at 8:03 pm on Thu, Sep 12, 2013.

    VoiceofReason Posts: 25

    Well I guess the constabulary should be congratulated for a job well done. Whether it's performing successful heart surgery or a keeping a well-swept floor, there is honor in doing one's job well.

    Having said that, how long is big government going to keep prosecuting victim-less crimes? New York City prosecutes businesses that sell big gulps and Seguin prosecutes game rooms. Both prosecutions are expensive and unnecessary. I mean, seriously--is this the worst criminal activity the polizei can find in the City? Sheesh!

  • LLT posted at 7:42 pm on Thu, Sep 12, 2013.

    LLT Posts: 221


    I'm very suspicious of anyone who punctuates a sentence the way you do, Are you Robbin Dywer?

  • secretive86 posted at 6:48 pm on Thu, Sep 12, 2013.

    secretive86 Posts: 3

    It's no.different than a.private.Christmas party that a certain business man had in Seguin with craps tables and card.tables and slot.machines and no different.than that man having private high stakes poker games

  • LLT posted at 6:27 pm on Thu, Sep 12, 2013.

    LLT Posts: 221

    Interesting timing, two weeks before the renewal date and fee increase. Seems this came as a surprise to no one. An earlier article in the Gazette stated there are 20 establishments operating in this area, so this is a good start. The next thing seems to be "sweepstakes" games, Vegas style games played on internet kiosks that use a loophole in the law to operate in a grey area similar to the one used by 8 liner operators.. They are already in a few places in this area.

    Looking back at the many articles and comments over the the last year or so and their overwhelming negative perception and lack of support for these businesses, it is very hard to see how the City Council or the P&Z Commission could say that they carry out the interest of the people of Seguin.

  • secretive86 posted at 6:23 pm on Thu, Sep 12, 2013.

    secretive86 Posts: 3

    There was.nothing wrong with they're for fun yeah the guns and the rest Was.wrong but at least it wasn't drugs which are.way worse.then these game.rooms

  • Outsider posted at 4:59 pm on Thu, Sep 12, 2013.

    Outsider Posts: 133

    I agree that they should've thought about it earlier, but they are taking action now to make Seguin verrry unattractive for these businesses.

  • dawn0067 posted at 4:32 pm on Thu, Sep 12, 2013.

    dawn0067 Posts: 30

    @redridermom217 - exactly what I was going to post - shame on the City of Seguin for allowing the establishments - seems like they allowed them to operate only to set them up for the Police Dept to raid them. I'm just saying - think about - I bet the police department was just waiting patiently - either way another reason to keep good businesses from coming our way.

  • loki posted at 4:15 pm on Thu, Sep 12, 2013.

    loki Posts: 71

    I hope the P.D. will have good reason to hit the beer joints with these machines also.

  • redridermom217 posted at 3:43 pm on Thu, Sep 12, 2013.

    redridermom217 Posts: 106

    Another black eye for the City of Seguin and this time we can give special thanks to the City of Seguin's Planning and Zoning Commission for allowing this kind of low class business into our City. Total disgrace.

  • Dale Brueggemann posted at 11:50 am on Thu, Sep 12, 2013.

    Dale Brueggemann Posts: 5

    These places took thousands from people who could least afford the loss. Known of that money ever returned here, it was sucked out to someone else. Great job Chief Kelso and the Seguin PD.

  • Mr Seguin posted at 11:13 am on Thu, Sep 12, 2013.

    Mr Seguin Posts: 34

    We all knew it was happening. Thank you SPD for keeping an eye on these places. Now get the rest of them. There's not one that is operating within the law. Clean em up!


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